Episode 18 Ghostly Hitchhikers Part 1

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Hello everyone, welcome to Lights On, Still Scared. My name is Graeme Milne.

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My name is Karen Swanston.

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Today we'll be talking about haunted hitchhikers. So, Karen, how you been?

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I've been very well. Yourself?

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Good. I've been fine. Been up to anything exciting?

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What have I been doing? I was down in London. I was rocking with the vampires.

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Oh, very good. Very good. What's your first story for us today?

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My first story is the Metheringham Lass. The legend of the Metheringham Lass is associated with former RAF Metheringham in Lincolnshire, a wartime bomber station that opened during the Second World War. For decades, motorists traveling near the former airfield have told stories of a distressed young woman appearing beside the road in an attempt to flag them down. In the classic version of the story, a motorist traveling past the old airfield after dark sees a young woman desperately trying to attract attention. She reportedly tells the driver that her boyfriend has crashed his motorcycle further along the road and urgently needs help.

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When the motorist stops or goes to investigate, there's no motorcycle or no injured boyfriend, and the woman has disappeared.

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Okay.

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A description varies between retelling. One reoccurring version describes the woman wearing a green mac or coat and a gray or pale headscarf. Some accounts also associate her appearance of a RAF related clothing or insignia. K. More disturbing versions claim that when the woman turns towards the witness, this is a bit horrible, her apparently normal face is revealed as something resembling a skull with dark or empty looking eye sockets beneath the scarf.

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Right.

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And one of the most unusual elements of the legend is an alleged smell associated with the apparition. Some accounts describe the pleasant scent of lavender. That sounds quite nice.

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That's alright. I don't mind that so much.

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Followed by a a or accompanied by an unpleasant smell likened to decay.

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That I do not like.

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No. Don't like that one. If accurately reported, this would make the methering ham less unusual because the experience involves not only a visual apparition, but apparently a smelly one too. Oh. Yes.

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That's creepy.

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So traditionally, the ghost has been identified in later accounts as a 19 year old woman named Katherine Bystock. According to the legend, Katherine and her flight surgeon boyfriend were traveling on a motorcycle in 1945 after attending a dance when they crashed. Catherine was supposedly killed while her boyfriend survived. The apparition is therefore sometimes interpreted as Catherine, endlessly trying to obtain help following the accident.

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That's horrible. Crisis apparition perhaps.

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It very well be, yes, yes. But I mean she's got a nifty wardrobe by the sounds of it, she's got several changes for

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her too. I like that though. It's a bit different. A little bit different. Creepy though.

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Creepy. Very creepy.

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People are night driving, you know. I don't drive, so it'd be okay. Mean, I'll never pick up a hitch hiker unless I've got climbing my back which is unlikely. So, yeah, I'm safe from all that.

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Well, I don't want to drive at night at all now.

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Yeah. The light down here is terrible.

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Yeah. So what you got then, Broome?

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Well, I I have a story told to me by an Edinburgh fireman. Oh. And I call it the Edinburgh fireman story. Wow. Now the reason is because I don't know the gentleman's name

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Oh, okay.

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Or the exact location, it's not too complicated a story but essentially this chap and his two mates were doing a tour, just a tour of Edinburgh and I think it was through the council if I remember at the time, this is a few years back, and he told me about a story, a couple of stories in fact, very interesting ones, and typically at the end of it when he was chatting away, we swapped cards and tried to see, you know, get in touch, more detail and it never happens. So, you know, you got a half story and you can but I think about the half that we need, it certainly it certainly follows the tropes of the fandom hitchhiker. So essentially, picture this. Mhmm. I'm picturing.

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Good. Three in the morning, dark, late, gentleman traveling home, the farm has two pals, it's raining, cats and dogs are outside Edinburgh, And they see this guy standing by the side of the road, and they sort of drive past, but they slow down. And he's like, oh, bit of a shame, terrible night. Should we give the guy, you know, a lift? Yeah.

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Okay. They decide because they're a bit concerned that maybe, you know, you don't wanna hear who you're gonna be picking up at three in the morning, you know, if it's somebody who's gonna be an irrational human being or somebody who's Or a

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mass murderer.

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Or a mass murderer indeed. You know? We all know how that can end up. So, anyhow, they decide to pick him up, they drive back, and then he gets gets they slap on the childproof locks and on they go. Strangely, he said the conversation was a bit abstract, that the guy would make these sort of, like, random statements and when he was asked questions, he was very kind of evasive and where would you like dropped off?

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Well, I'll tell you. You know? Also, strangely cold in the car, colder than it was normally. So this was a bit alarming. So the three of them are feeling a tad uneasy and the guy drives on and suddenly out of nowhere, he shouts out, this is where I was killed.

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Oh. I know.

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That's a bit random.

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It was and they all kinda looked at each other and they're like, okay. So they kept sort driving and, know, about two minutes later, the guy says this is where I need off. So they stopped, quite glad to get the guy out and they opened door, childproof locks by the way, which will become apparent very soon why I mentioned this, and he disappeared. So they they basically drove off, relieved, looked back, you know, the rearview mirror, the guy is gone. So they're thinking, where the hell is he gone?

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I mean, there's nowhere really houses or anything, anyway, that was him gone and off they drove and, of course, all three of them together babbling about the guy and wasn't he strange, what the hell was he on about, but they come to no conclusion by this and they eventually end up at the first person's house who's going be dropped off and that's when they realize the childproof locks are still on and there's no way the guy could have gotten out. Now he questioned this, did I forget, did I take them off in fact to forget I had? He was convinced he untouched them. So this guy got out the car, all three witnessed this strange scenario together but was he a ghost? Do you think he was?

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Mhmm. And he said, I'm a pretty sort of, like, pragmatic person, always look for the rational, but he said that was one instance where we really felt there was something very unusual to happen and who he was or his purpose for being there, I have no clue and I hope that they have either. Oh. But that's the end of a Furman story. That's a

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creepy one. That's a creepy one, but creepy one. Yeah. Oh, deary me. So, right.

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Well, I have got a nun.

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A nun?

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A nun. And a monk. You know how I feel about monks? Yes. So this is the white lady of Dibbonsdale Bridge

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Okay.

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In Bromborough in the Wirral.

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Wirral. Okay.

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So lots of bees there. So Dibbonsdale Bridge crosses Dibbonsdale Brook near Broomsborough, as I said, on the Wirral. The Old Bridge and surrounding woodlands have several supernatural traditions, most notably that of the mysterious female apparition, variously known as the white lady,

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k.

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White nun, or in some other versions, the headless lady of Dibbonsdale.

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Of Creaky.

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Oh, God. Even got no skin or no face or no head. The best known version of the legend concerns a young novice nun who supposedly fell in love with a monk from a nearby religious house.

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That hums a lot by the way.

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Those naughty nuns and monks. Was forbidden, leaving the young woman torn between her religious vows and the feelings for the monk. According to one version of the story, the affair ended in tragically, and this short nun drowned herself in the brook. The ghost is subsequently said to return to the bridge and surround roads near the place where she died. Mhmm.

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So motorists traveling through the area after dark have reportedly seen a woman suddenly appear near and directly in front of their vehicles. Some drivers have braked and swerved because they believe that they're about to strike her. Her descriptions vary considerably. Some witness described a woman dressed in white. Others speak of a rust colored or red dress and a small swinging lantern.

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Oh. Sounds a bit like our mascot, doesn't it?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Slightly. She's there on the bridge. Gragging. Least one retelling describes a motorist apparently driving straight through the figure before it vanished.

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Okay. Oh. Was that contemporary? Quite a contemporary story, do think? Yeah.

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I suppose it would have had to be, if it was cars or some description. Yeah. Creepy.

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There there is also another version of the legend that does not involve the monk at all. So the monk's gone.

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Okay.

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So this account, a nun was traveling from Birkenhead Priory towards Saint Wirberg Abbey in Chester and sought shelter in a nearby Poulton Hill. Now I've heard of Poulton Hill. Don't know where it is. Obviously, we're in Chester, I suppose. The owner of the hall allegedly imprisoned her.

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Well, that's not very nice.

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Any reason given or just Well cruelty?

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Ultimately starved her to death possibly because she rejected his advances.

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Excuse me.

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Oh, dear. And a ghost subsequently becomes associated with Poulton Road and Dibbonsdale Bridge. But then Dibbonsdale also has another unusual ghost. An elderly man wearing a tweed jacket, cloth cap, has been reportedly been seen riding an old fashioned bicycle across the bridge. One witness was struck by the fact the elderly cyclist appeared to be pedaling effortlessly uphill despite the gradient.

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After passing him, the witness checked the rear view mirror, the cyclist disappeared.

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Okay. Right.

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Deary me, so there you go. So it's got a lot there. It's got a nun. It's got monks. It's got cyclists.

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It's got everything. Don't go on that road.

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I certainly went with a cycling nun. Think that would be it.

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Cycling nun.

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Yeah. Her sister was the singing nun, I believe. But anyway, no, that's quite joking apart. I mean, nuns and monks tend to

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They do.

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They do. They probably do want to perfect.

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Get around.

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They do. But yeah. And it's always an illicit affair.

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Indeed. A naughty affair.

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Yes. Bad habits.

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Oh, like that one. Here all night, Graham.

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I know. I was receiving that one up and I thought this might be the time to foist on everyone, so I am apologising for that by the way. The story I've got is from Peterhead which is up in the North East Of Scotland and it was written about in a book by a guy called Stuart Lamont and it follows the tropes of the phantom hitchhiker so the whole thing's always been questionable. However, there are many people from the area who claim it's true and strangely reading or researching earlier on about this particular story, there was a few bits and pieces online of people saying, well, it's a true story because we knew the person later knew was the ghost. Now I have not found anything out to that effect, so I can hardly see it, but certainly it seems to be as it was described as a veil of secrecy in the area Oh.

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Which is a bit strange and enigmatic. But anyway, in a nutshell, the driver who sort of witnessed the ghost is a driver for an old company, I'm gonna pronounce this horribly, Schlumberger, I think it's right word, Schlumberger, and he was driving onto the Fraserburgh to Peterhead Road late one night and in the distance between the two towns, which are about, you know, 18 miles apart, he noticed the figure of a girl at the side of the road standing in the rain.

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Oh.

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So he stopped and after offering her lift, passed on his jacket to keep her warm. Later he dropped her off outside her home and said we'd come by and pick up the jacket tomorrow, but my question is why didn't he take the jacket back there and then? It's one of these very strange things when people go out content, pass on items of clothing people have never met in any Really

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nearly, yeah.

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Circuitous journey to collect it the next day when, you know, the woman was two yards from her So, you know, I'm just saying my natural suspicion and cynicism is slightly creeping in there. There are a few, you know, inconsistencies within the story but nevertheless he apparently returned the next day to pick up the coat and it was then the hitchhiker's distraught parents informed him that her daughter had been dead for two years, killed in a road accident at, you guessed it, the same spot she was picked up. So he insisted that he'd spoken to her on the previous night at which point her parents took him to the gravesite where they found the jacket. Mister Lamont, the author, then went on to claim that the story was well known locally and there had been a wall of silence around it and an associate named the Reverend James Miller later corroborated the tale or at least the fact that mister Lamont had been stonewalled while trying to uncover the truth. So in reading this story or at least hearing it, it's difficult to say what I think of it and perhaps what you think of it.

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It certainly adheres to the classic haunted hitchhiker story of which similar things have happened all across the planet. Yeah. But is it true? I don't know. People locally seem to think it is, maybe it's so embedded in retelling that it's become part of the fabric of the area.

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Mhmm. But anyway, was written about in a book which I did read, I can't remember the name of it, but Stuart Lamont's the author. I'm sure you can get it online in one of these Internet archives, you know, when you get the free reads if you're really interested, and it's, yeah, intriguing. Very intriguing. It is.

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So it's a lonely kind of stretch of road, you know, and I mean, there has been many many accidents without a doubt.

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And the jacket on the gravestone.

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Jacket on the gravestone. Yeah. But given the jacket over, meh, I don't know. Yeah. I'm just I don't know.

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Who can tell?

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Who can tell? Indeed. Alright. Well, we're off to Somerset now.

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Oh. Off to Somerset. Somerset.

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Indeed. The A 38 in Somerset. So stretch of road on the A 38 between Wellington and Taunton in Somerset. My sister lives in Taunton. And I actually say to her, go on this stretch of road, see what you can see.

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So this stretch of road has become associated with a particular unusual phantom hitchhiker tradition. The best known accounts is attributed to a lorry drive called Harold, sometimes called Harry, Unsworth.

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Harry Unsworth.

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Harry Unsworth. And it's generally placed in the late nineteen fifties. It's an old one, but this one, it did tickle me. So according to the story, around 3AM on a cold wet morning in 1958, Unsworth was driving his lorry when he noticed a middle aged man trying to flag him down.

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Right.

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The stranger was described as wet from the rain with grey hair and a light coloured overcoat and a torch. Unsworth stopped and agreed to give him a lift. The man asked to be taken to the bridge several miles further down the road. And during the journey, the passenger reportedly been talking about fatal road accidents associated with the area around the bridge.

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You crikey.

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What disturbed Arnsworth was not simply the subject, but the man's apparent fascination with deaths. His attitude reportedly made the driver increasingly uncomfortable, which I suppose you would.

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Indeed.

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When they reached the bridge, the passenger got out and disappeared in the darkness. Didn't think anything of it. So the encounter did not end there. According to later accounts, Arnsworth encountered what appeared to be the same man again several nights later, almost exactly the same thing. Same location, same weather, same hitchhiker, same destination, and same disturbing conversation about fatal accidents.

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Bit of obsession with that guy.

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A little bit of obsession. Arthur felt the coincidence unsettling, but still convinced himself it was simply helping the same unfortunate traveler. I think they'll be quite friendly at this point, wouldn't you?

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I see, sir.

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In the third meeting, the encounter happens yet again. But Unsworth wondered whether the man might be mentally unwell. Why would anyone repeatedly hitchhike at three in the morning in terrible weather? And why always to exactly the same bridge? So the final encounter, which was the fourth occasion, it became even stranger.

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The hitchhiker again asked to be taken to the bridge. This time he requested, would you mind waiting? I have something to collect. Unsworth agreed. He waited five minutes, then ten minutes, then twenty minutes.

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The man never returned, so he just drove off. Yeah. After traveling roughly three miles, Unsworth was horrified, Standing beside the road, can you guess?

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Was the guy

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was the same hitchhiker.

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That's mental.

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There had been no other traffic, nowhere for the man to have gone, and no possible way that he could have covered that distance on foot in that time. No. As the lorry approached, the figure suddenly stepped out in the road. Unsworth swerved violently. When he stopped and climbed from the cab, there was nobody there.

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Yet according to his account, he then saw the figure a short distance away shaking his fist angrily before disappearing.

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It's a bit bloody selfish after getting

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three left It's before very I

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rude. Titled ghost.

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That did tickle me though.

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That's crazy.

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After the

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second After the second time that happened, I think I would be seriously thinking I might take a change of route to this Yes. Because this is like But it's just interesting that it happened multiple times because very rarely they do, is it? You know, especially not to the same person.

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Bizarre. Absolutely bizarre. But that's a good one.

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I enjoyed that one. I wonder who's been seen recently.

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As I said, I have to give my sister to drive down that road and see if she sees a strange man in a Mac.

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But yeah, shaking the fist, that's crazy.

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I love it.

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I've got one that's it's a fallen trajectory of the few I've told before but this one's a bit different and I know we've chatted about this in the past but this one's concerning somebody very famous. Oh. Telly Savalas.

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Telly Savalas or Kojak?

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Kojak, yay.

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Who loves you, baby. He does.

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Kojak, yep.

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It's like he's in the room.

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It is. We might be for all we know.

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Oh, might

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be. Yeah. Telly Savalas, a great actor of course. He was interviewed in 1993 on an Australian TV program talking about ghosts and he had this very strange encounter in the early fifties with a spirit, a Hitchhiker spirit. And it's an absolute beauty of a story and and honestly, if you if you ever get a chance to see it, it's on YouTube, just Google Tilly Savala's hitchhiking ghost story.

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It's fascinating because he is so deadpan. He's I am absolutely convinced he did this and he also experienced the same ghost a little while later on, a completely different scenario which makes me kind of think, wow, is this guy psychic? Has he got some kind of spirit guide or whatever, but it's a really odd story. It's really interesting.

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Mhmm.

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So basically, in a nutshell, he's driving in New Jersey after, you know, dropping off his his date, as they say Oh. In The States, and driving his date back to her house and then heading back into town. So they're near sort of Long Island kind of way, and he runs out of petrol. So the choice is either stay with the car, Cadillac, or head off and try and pick some up. Now he noticed there was a restaurant, like one of these twenty four hour diners a little further down the road, so he gets the can and decides to walk to it Mhmm.

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Because it seems the best option. And then when he gets there, he decides he could see this wooded area and he's heading through it towards, you know, the buildings, and there's a car. He hears his voice shout out, can I give you a lift? Oh, no. It's a I will give you a ride.

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That's it. I will give you a ride. It's it's kinda exactly what was said, and he he kind of stopped and he looked and there was a guy sitting in a car wearing a white suit and he said, yeah. Fantastic. She gets in the car and they drive off, and then they reach the garage to get the petrol.

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Mhmm.

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And before Telly Savalas can say anything, the guy shouts out, I will lend you a dollar. Now, he never asked for money but he'd realised at that precise moment he didn't have any

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Right.

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So he wouldn't have been able to purchase the petrol. So the guy kinda almost supersedes the conversation, that's the right word to use, or before he actually asks for

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it. Mhmm.

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And he's got this really weird voice. He's got this really, really, really high pitched voice. So it's something strange. Anyway, we get the petrol, drive back to his car, which is still parked a few miles out the road and the guy then asks out of context again if he did he know this famous baseball player?

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Mhmm.

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And he was like, no, not really,

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you know, he wasn't

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really young. But it's just like this random interjection of statements almost. So in reaching the car, he then asks for the guy's name and number so he can give him back his dollar. He promises he wants to post back the dollar. Suppose at $9.59, a dollar is probably worth a reasonable amount of money.

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So the guy writes something down and off he goes. Anyway, on reaching home, two shocks follow. First of all, he reads the paper that the baseball player that the mysterious driver mentioned has died. Oh. Mysterious circumstances in real life.

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I don't know his name, by the way, because in the program, it was never mentioned, but that happened. So later on, he thinks, well, you know, next day, I'm gonna phone up the number and get the address of the guy and send off the dollar. She phones up and he asks for him. His name is mister Cullen, by the way, and the police called Jimmy's Bar. Jimmy's Bar.

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So assuming that mister Cullen's a regular. Anyway, there's a woman who answers and she's very evasive about mister Cullen. So tell us if Alice presses him or her on it and says, you know, can I speak to him, you know, I need to do return this money blah blah blah, and the woman says, listen you son of a bitch, that's my husband you're talking about, he's been dead for two years? Oh. So it's like she thinks he's a prank caller, prank, slams the phone down, but he perseveres, gets in contact, and eventually they agree agree to meet, and they do.

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And when they do, he gets a big shock because one, he hands over the note that mister Cullen had scribbled for him, his phone number, and it's got a signature on it, and it matches letters that the woman, the wife Mhmm. Was in her possession. So it was definitely the same signature. He described what he looked like, and she said he was buried in a white suit. Oh.

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And then he says to her, what was his voice like? And she says, well, you had a very deep voice like you. And he goes, no. He didn't. He had an extremely high pitched voice.

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And she says, well, he died because he shot himself in the neck.

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Oh, dear.

[00:26:57] - [Speaker 0]
So that was his story and, it was a really, really odd one which which stuck with him all his life and, years later, while playing golf, again that voice in his ear and he looked up he could see the guy standing way, way across the green and a few of his mates were there and they saw the guy and he made this covert statement which you could hear in his ear. Mhmm. But it was almost impossible because when you think about the distance, it's like the guy who's speaking next to him about a death in Dallas. Oh. Yeah.

[00:27:32] - [Speaker 0]
And so he thought, what the hell? You know, he was a bit freaked out.

[00:27:36] - [Speaker 1]
Mhmm.

[00:27:37] - [Speaker 0]
So the three players then head back to the, you know, clubhouse for lunch. When they got there on the TV, of course, the assassination of JFK has just been announced.

[00:27:48] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, okay.

[00:27:50] - [Speaker 0]
Two ghosts.

[00:27:51] - [Speaker 1]
Two ghosts.

[00:27:52] - [Speaker 0]
Well, two ghostly incidents, same ghost.

[00:27:54] - [Speaker 1]
Same ghost.

[00:27:54] - [Speaker 0]
Both for TeleSavales, And he said, it's genuine. And he didn't believe in ghosts. But he certainly yeah.

[00:28:02] - [Speaker 1]
So he sat in a ghost car then.

[00:28:05] - [Speaker 0]
Yeah. Sat in a ghost car, then had the guy give him a ghost note which matched the ladies, described him which matched the description of him when he died, described him from the high voice which he had because he chomped himself in the throat, and then got a revisit a few years later. So he's told the story in 1993, and I think Tully Savalas himself passed away a year later. Mhmm. Died fairly young.

[00:28:32] - [Speaker 0]
But anyway, it was a great story. If you ever get the opportunity to watch it, it's on YouTube. It is really, really fascinating stuff. Anyway, that's that. What do you think of that?

[00:28:45] - [Speaker 1]
I hope you enjoyed that episode. Stay tuned next week when we've got more haunted hitchhikers. Until then, keep the lights on. Still scared. I keep the whole way light on, but the shadows never fade.

[00:29:18] - [Speaker 1]
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